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Age · Nov 03, 2006, 11:31 PM // 23:31

What is it with Monks today?I find that we have lost our respectablity and they way ppl use to treat Monks say last year before SF update came out.I remember when beinga Monk was hot and ppl even liked they way they looked mostly female though.I don't find this today as we are just like some others.I created a Mesmer in pre and I got hit upon by another Mesmer.I wanted to make change so I went ahead and did this and then I got hit upon agian by a Warrior.Last year I got hit up with my Monk and it continued for a week untill I put this person on ignore.

It use to be that ppl respected Monks and liked them so what is today don't we need it.What do monks need to do to get thier respect and to shine like they use to.

Llint · Nov 04, 2006, 12:04 AM // 00:04

Not spam healing breeze and HP.

I know you may not do that, and I... But some people cant grasp that vigorous spirit spam isn't going to heal the party...

FeroxC · Nov 04, 2006, 12:21 AM // 00:21

because they are short in number and the ones that are available are so arrogant that they ask for payment to join your party........

1k each the last guy wanted for him to join our FoW farming party. Dont worry he didnt get it.

kiliki · Nov 04, 2006, 02:47 AM // 02:47

If i remember correctly "monking for money" was deemed uncool in a recent thread. That's part of why people dislike monks these days.
People take advantage of the fact that most groups need a healer, asking for money to join a party. Party play is about doing your job within the party.
As mentioned in said post, the tank has an equal right to ask for money for killing enemies, yet this does not happen.

Many people do not want to be a monk because it's "boring" or "i don't get to kill stuff with my uber big sword" and so some monks notice they're the only monk around. They think of it as an opportunity to make some quick cash.

In other words: It's to do with stereotypes. You try to make a party but all the monks are looking for money in exchange for healing, you dislike monks a bit more. If this happens with say 1 out of every 3 parties you create you're going to disrespect monks.
The reason people hate monks is because of a bad image projected by arrogant people.

I think to get respect we need to be helpful. Remember those lvl 20 monks that come along and say "I'll help you with the mission, but only if you give me money" when you were lvl 12? That got on my nerves, along with many others.

Every once in a while I go back to some of the early missions (as my character is Canthan this means Zen Daijun, that miasma is pretty damaging) and help people.
I've got several people on my friends list from this and they're always grateful. I don't ask for anything in return but I feel good about it.

Talin_The_Medic · Nov 04, 2006, 03:52 AM // 03:52

(starter of the monking for money thread, which I never thought was cool, I just wanted opinions lol)

Most monks yes... aren't too good now a days.... most have builds that don't work well, or are like you said, demanding pay.

I try and help who I can... my friends left before I got to vizunah today because the leader was jumpy.. so I just picked up another party and helped them (did pretty bad actully.. lots of deaths

)

Tookis Elite · Nov 04, 2006, 04:09 AM // 04:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by Llint

Not spam healing breeze and HP.

I know you may not do that, and I... ...

ROFL!

i am so guilty of doing this to beat stuff on my monk

lazy i am

random.name · Nov 04, 2006, 05:48 AM // 05:48

The answer is simple. I beat both games with my monk, and I doubt that I would do the same with Nightfall. Reason is simple. I am tired of having to run after people that leave the healing range of the group. I am tired of being flamed by a ele or mesmer that constantly draws first aggro who then proceeds to die in 2 seconds. I am tired of people standing in the middle of AoE spells because they dont worry about dying, hell, thats why the monk is there...

For the same reason mentioned above I dont even play my rit anymore, since people now expect the same things from him...

Talin_The_Medic · Nov 04, 2006, 12:10 PM // 12:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by random.name

I am tired of having to run after people that leave the healing range of the group. I am tired of being flamed by a ele or mesmer that constantly draws first aggro who then proceeds to die in 2 seconds. I am tired of people standing in the middle of AoE spells because they dont worry about dying, hell, thats why the monk is there...

I get what you mean... all this does in fact suck... but I'm one of the only experienced monks in my alliance, and I love healing in the first place.

Look at that stuff as a challenge :P

(I hate it too.. especially when people overextend....)

gobla · Nov 04, 2006, 12:20 PM // 12:20

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Originally Posted by kiliki

Party play is about doing your job within the party.
As mentioned in said post, the tank has an equal right to ask for money for killing enemies, yet this does not happen.

This is the exact reason why some monks have started to ask money for monking.

the tank's job is not to kill enemies ( awmagawd! but itz liek wurrior! I wunna be ubah 1337 heru thut killz evrythin with hiz big ax! ) his job is to get bashed upon the head and to prevent this bashing from happen to others.

The killing job is reserved for elementalists, curse necros etc. ( whut! im nut tank? but i got liek life ztel gaze n ara o reztoratiun! ) they're job is to kill the enemies as fast as possible to prevent further damage to the party and to finish the mission as soon as possible wich will lead to masters reward and much more loot.

How many times does the tank gets totally blamed for everyone dying? Almost never.
How many times does the elementalist/necromancer/whatever gets totally blamed for everyone dying? Never at all.
How many times does the monk gets totally blamed for everyone dying? Almost every time.

Now personally I don't ask money for monking but I can very very easily understand why some monks do want to ask money. Not only makes it worth their time but they will generally get a more organised party as those with money enough to pay usually have other chars wich they completed the game with and thus know what is going on and how to play organised.

Talin_The_Medic · Nov 04, 2006, 12:29 PM // 12:29

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Originally Posted by gobla

How many times does the tank gets totally blamed for everyone dying? Almost never.
How many times does the elementalist/necromancer/whatever gets totally blamed for everyone dying? Never at all.
How many times does the monk gets totally blamed for everyone dying? Almost every time.

Well you nailed it....

This is one reason most people give up monking if they're not good at it at first, or at least I've seen that happen.

Healing is the toughest job in guild wars, enough said (someone WILL disagree with me, won't you?). A Monk who did a bad job is gonna get pounded by his party and probably kicked, I've seen warriors who didn't understand anythin about aggro, were told to tank and went DPS, and ended up dying NOT because of the monk, but because of what they did.

And they get to stay in the party.

The problem is most people don't understand how to play monks, using energy the right way.. picking the right skills when.. Most (new) monks just spam heals onto the party, run out of energy, and then the party starts dying.

So the monk gets yelled at for it, and he's probably thinking "Well this sucks, who wants to get yelled at all day?" and goes back to his wammo.

The thing that's WRONG with monks these days is that the job is just getting tougher for them (and I love it

).

the_jos · Nov 04, 2006, 01:25 PM // 13:25

I think the main reasons people don't respect (PvE) monks are:
- They forget that they need to keep themselfs alive and the monk is there only to help them do that. All classes get some kind of self-heal in the first stages of the game, but few people use it.
- They expect monks to heal (or boon-prot), but sometimes the monk is at attack mode (like Mo/Ele with 7 Ele skills and res). I never encoutered a smiter (I smite sometimes, but only with hench). That unbalances the team (they think). It's pure healer or nothing what they want.
- Monks are the only class that requires 2 in a 8 party. That creates shortage.
- Some monk have a certain attitude.
They are the last to join and when the party fails, they are the first to leave (they will find a party anyway).
- I have seen numerous postings around about creating a monk because then it's easy to join a party.
That's the wrong attitude.

I think the only way to gain respect is doing the best you can in a way the team expects. So when you are on attack, say so. They will probably kick you, but at least you have not let them down.
I do monk sometimes, but I know I mostly monk when I play an other character and the team cannot find the monk they need.
And a black 15K Kurzick (male) still gets some respect, specially since I leave one character to help out the team.

It's not that I don't like the support role, but I just don't like to get blamed when the whole team gets beaten up because someone aggroed like 100 lvl 24 enemies at once. Guess who did not aggro them.
I like to help others achieve their goals (specially when those are also my goal), I don't like to get blamed for them not achieving their goal.

There is one more thing.
Due to work I don't play during daytimes that much. Only in the weekend, but then I hench most of the time.
So most of the time I am playing with adults or people in their late teens.
They react more mature most of the time and when someone starts behaving badly, more then one will try to correct that player. When that does not work and the mission fails, guess who's just kicked...

Effigy · Nov 04, 2006, 07:09 PM // 19:09

Who cares if people respect monks? They can have fun trying to play without us.

And if they decide to go with monk heroes or henchies, good riddance. I won't be shedding any bitter tears over the lack of blind invites everytime I go into a mission zone.

Aska · Nov 04, 2006, 08:05 PM // 20:05

Uh oh. I always felt a good sense of satisfaction playing a Monk and keeping people alive. That was about a year and 1/2 ago. Now that I have Nightfall I decided to restart that Monk there. I'm secondary Paragon for some Motivation healing aids, works very well!

Anyway, I'm still level 9 on training island. So far people have respected me on quests and whatnot, but after I leave the training island I hope it isn't the same thing as my old Monk. I hate feeling like I'm only healing Henchmen or Heroes, I don't feel like I'm doing anything. When other players are the ones being healed is when I get the satisfaction. I just hope that I find some parties that treat me with decentcy, even if some die. Or else I might have to put another Monk on hold.

XosirisX · Nov 04, 2006, 08:28 PM // 20:28

new problem in NF: DERVISHES, most of em are (yes i'm gonna use the N word) noobs that dunno how to play it, that's a mayor problem when u only got 70 armor, cause they expect YOU to catch every single spike on em (wich wouldn't have been a fatal spike on a warrior), keep the rest of the party alife (including the 3 other dervishes), ress them when the whole party "used" their ress signets while only 3 people died so far and stay alife and that all within 5 seconds if it's possible (shame ress takes 6 secs) and even if u ress em immediatly they immediatly run into the enemy with their heavy duty enchantments but only half life.....

srry for all the good dervishes that read the monk forum but i'm juz a bit frustrated cause i juz failed the same mission 3 times and every single time got shouted at by dervishes

edit: phew that really helped, time for round number 4 :P

the_jos · Nov 04, 2006, 09:53 PM // 21:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aska

I hate feeling like I'm only healing Henchmen or Heroes, I don't feel like I'm doing anything.(

Smiter ftw.
At least, that's what I do when henching with my monk

Aska · Nov 04, 2006, 10:56 PM // 22:56

I'll try that! I might bring a spear too!

Vahn Roi · Nov 04, 2006, 11:12 PM // 23:12

Resurrect.

Balthazar Damn the Dev that made Resurrect.

The Pocky Alchemist · Nov 05, 2006, 07:22 PM // 19:22

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Originally Posted by Vahn Roi

Resurrect.

Balthazar Damn the Dev that made Resurrect.

Seriously. "Oh, I see Kuunavang is still pounding us with Dark Chain Lightning! Well, let me just res the DP'd-out Ele so you can try to keep her alive too, wouldn't that be nice?"

-_-

Monks are fun... but yeah, teammate attitudes can be annoying. This Dervish yesterday yelled at me for "using Prot Spirit when I'm not taking damage WTF". Then the enchant caught a deadly round of Afflicted Soul Explosions, as expected. I laughed.

Then again, I got heavy props yesterday too, from a different team I was playing on. So it's not like we don't get any respect, which is good.

It's also good to remind the Assassins that they are not tanks, contrary to popular belief. Sometimes I just watch them die, about an aggro circle away from the rest of the team. Silly Sins. Trix are for kids. ^_^

(Hey! Don't flame me! I like Sins, it's the crazy psycho Sins I don't like! =P)

Rera · Nov 05, 2006, 08:24 PM // 20:24

Wait, exactly what is this thread about? O_o

Quote:

Originally Posted by Age

I remember when beinga Monk was hot and ppl even liked they way they looked mostly female though.I don't find this today as we are just like some others.I created a Mesmer in pre and I got hit upon by another Mesmer.I wanted to make change so I went ahead and did this and then I got hit upon agian by a Warrior.Last year I got hit up with my Monk and it continued for a week untill I put this person on ignore.

I'm not really sure what your concern is here. Are you miffed that people do/don't find monks attractive?

The respect issue isn't monks only. GW players are just lacking in decency and respect to begin with. Nobody respects anyone, it isn't just limited to monks.

I don't really care about what my teammates say. I'm well aware of how to do my job, and no amount of "heal me" or "res me" or "omfg noob" is going to change that. If they start screwing around I just /ragequit. I don't have time to babysit morons, seriously.

Age · Nov 05, 2006, 10:50 PM // 22:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rera

Wait, exactly what is this thread about? O_o

I'm not really sure what your concern is here. Are you miffed that people do/don't find monks attractive?

The respect issue isn't monks only. GW players are just lacking in decency and respect to begin with. Nobody respects anyone, it isn't just limited to monks.

I don't really care about what my teammates say. I'm well aware of how to do my job, and no amount of "heal me" or "res me" or "omfg noob" is going to change that. If they start screwing around I just /ragequit. I don't have time to babysit morons, seriously.

Yes it was something like that.The players adored Monks with what they could do and thier looks.I don't know maybe it is becuase of all the bots and farmers as you don't se many Mesmers doing it.I did get Thanks by a W/Mo at the end of the consulate mission as we had mostly Dervished lvl15 and thier heros it was most the War. and myself that kept the team going.We were both Tyrian created.